After the Arizona ruling, what are you expecting on the Georgia law?

“It’s interesting. The Supreme Court ruling is somewhat vague. The governors of Arizona and Georgia have said the ruling supports their contention that you can check papers and call the federal authorities if (something is amiss). On the other side, advocates say if you check papers only for brown-skinned people then it’s profiling, which is against the law.

“That means for law enforcement to enact this section, they must check the papers of everyone … or be accused of discrimination or racial profiling.”

More on the run-up to the Georgia law passing…

“What did catch us by surprise was the extent of the fear of enforcement. We expected the E-Verify component to be much more difficult to handle and to have the biggest effect.

“What happened is the law passed and the governor signed it on May 13 to great fanfare. At that point, the rumor mill really cranked up in the labor camps and among the harvest crews expected to travel from Florida to Georgia. By late May/early June, there were all kinds of rumors floating around.

“This was 30 to 45 days prior to the law going into effect. There were rumors that Georgia was setting up roadblocks at the Florida border. None of that was true.

“Even so, we starting getting reports from our growers in late May that the harvest crews that normally came to their operations from Florida weren’t coming. The crews said they didn’t want any hassles from law enforcement. And some of the crew members were legal workers but, because they’re Hispanic they feared being singled out.”

On harvest crews and a study…

“We wound up doing a study and survey regarding that and found that Georgia growers were about 40 percent short of harvest crews.”

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“Harvest crews are typically migratory. As the various crops mature, they’ll start in south Florida, move into north Florida, then Georgia, through the Carolinas and up the East Coast into New Jersey and New York. Then, they reverse course to work the fall vegetable crops.

“When the crews didn’t come, we had major crop losses. The study, done by the University of Georgia, said we had a crop loss of roughly $140 million.”

Can H-2A be fixed? Do we need something entirely different?

“Right now, the H-2A program is not workable for many people. That’s because of ridiculous, bureaucratic rules part of the program.

“Prior to (President) Bush leaving office in 2010, H-2A was being made into a more useable program. Unfortunately, when the Obama administration came in they made major changes and H-2A became almost unusable for many growers, although some use it.

“However, it’s a much more difficult program to work through. It’s very paper-oriented. A small grower that needs five or 10 workers has to spend a ridiculous amount of time to fill out the H-2A paperwork.

“We need some type of guest worker program. We need a nationwide E-Verify. Otherwise, you’ll have states – like Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina that have passed E-Verify laws – that sit out there like an island with workers preferring states that don’t have E-Verify laws.”

On the current growing season and the state of the Georgia legislature…

“There were no changes to the laws during the 2012 legislative session.

“I think we’re getting some politicians to listen but it isn’t enough. Our legislature is dominated by the metro areas and many of the politicians from there feel (the immigration laws) has done some good. We’re not sure exactly how and where, but that’s the perception.

“This year, we’ve also had adequate worker numbers. Part of the reason, we believe, is because of the two enforcement sections of the law that have been impounded. So crews came back to the state.

“Of course, we don’t know what will happen next year. It’s very much up in the air depending on what the ruling will be on the enforcement sections of the law. We’re expecting that to come down in the next couple of months.”

Anything else?

“Any legislature looking at an immigration that’s enforcement-based – whether mandatory E-Verify or not – there must also be some type of guest worker program tied to it. That’s what we’ve been telling Congress.”